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| 18/12 2013 00:13
It far too early to suggest that, one good year for ice is all that it means, but it is a step in the right direction.
| 18/12 2013 08:03
Can we put this bogus claim of one year of increasing arctic surface ice is a long term trend?
| 18/12 2013 07:40
Instrumental temperature records (anomalies) are clearly showing temperature variations from month to month and year to year with trends over periods of time. AGW advocates were riding a recent warming trend to make their case. The 0.012% change in the atmosphere (CO2 change from 280ppm to 400ppm) isn't "forcing" temperature in any direction. Satellite temperature readings (anomalies) are currently showing a 0.19C warming (as of November 2013) over and above the 1981 - 2010 average and has been declining as of late. Atmospheric CO2 increases aren't "forcing" anything when it comes to temperature. The Ice Caps are doing just what they have done over many thousands of years. I see the Dookster has asked about explaining the millions of years it took the Earth to make the fossil fuels. In retort, I ask the Dookster : Who said it took the Earth millions of years to make those fossil fuels? The same scientists who have theorized evolution and the greenhouse gas theory? It mystifies me that just because someone has a theory, that means it is now a law and fact. Scientific arrogance again is at work here. LOL!
| 18/12 2013 06:46
I live in a tropical part of the world,we never really used to have winters but this season the weather has drastically changed. It's extremely cold compared to the previous seasons.
| 18/12 2013 00:49
Nope It is shrinking For Christ's sake why don't you present some real science. Both Arctic and Antarctica are losing ice olume yearly http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/arctic-sea-ice-volume-up-50-1.2465952 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Antarctic_Ice_Sheet
| 18/12 2013 01:13
Yes - comparing this year to last years just proves it for the denier industry. Where I am it is 12 degrees C higher than yesterday - at this rate the earth will melt by next Christmas
| 18/12 2013 08:19
Wow, only one year from the record low arctic sea ice, and the problem is solved! Of course, when I look at a plot of it, it still looks way below the long term average. http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png
| 18/12 2013 08:25
It turns out that the climate swings the earth enjoys are as cyclical as the seasons. I maintain that we are not warming at all. Looking at the warming that happened from the 70's to about 98 is simply a manifestation of natural cycles and is no different than the seasonal warming we will get starting in early March--except for the fact that seasonal cycles are more understood at this time. Using pre-Hanson temperature data shows that we are no warmer than the 1930s. Using any data besides my tree-rings shows that the MWP was warmer. Standing back and looking at the big picture shows that there has been no global warming at all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like to point out Jeff's remarkable chartmanship skills. Starting the graph at 1980 really drives home your point since that's the point where we had high ice coverage from the cooling spell of the seventies. I'm sure Jeff was warning us of the impending ice age coming at that time.
| 18/12 2013 15:22
When you stop lying about it
| 18/12 2013 22:41
Climate cultists even refuse to admit its cooling and has been for at least 12 years. You can forget trying to get them to admit the ice caps are not melting. -----------------------
| 18/12 2013 11:44
Warmer temperatures will tend to yield less ice in the summer in the Arctic. We also should expect even more warming in the Arctic than elsewhere, as it is colder there, and heat will warm the colder parts more. It is also possible that less ice is happening because of black soot or other pollution in the Arctic, or perhaps currents' compacting ice is the dominant factor. That said it looks like scientists are again putting politics and propaganda first and overstating their case. 'Children won't know what snow is' 'The North Pole will be ice-free'
| 18/12 2013 10:34
What will you say if the next melt season sees another record melt of the Arctic sea ice? How could you believe that the current freeze season showing some gains will prove to be sustainable? Winter freezes still happen. Summer melts still happen. What do the long term trends show for the Arctic sea ice?
| 18/12 2013 09:42
That is a pretty big increase. You notice that those who fretted and toted the ice last year are suggesting it is now only one year. It is long term that matters they say unless of course the trend happens to be less.
| 18/12 2013 10:24
The article is only talking about one year. The trend is clear. Arctic sea ice is decreasing. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1983/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1983/trend
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